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Posted by: Shabadu_SMH, March 3, 2011, 12:56pm
Posted by: Diddly, March 3, 2011, 2:30pm; Reply: 1
Posted by: Danmick, March 3, 2011, 11:59pm; Reply: 2
Posted by: Danmick, March 14, 2011, 7:45pm; Reply: 3
Posted by: Danmick, April 5, 2011, 6:16am; Reply: 4
Posted by: Chiquita, April 14, 2011, 3:16pm; Reply: 5
Just a reminder Game of Thrones HBO April 17 @ 9pm!!! :)
Posted by: Chiquita, April 15, 2011, 2:12am; Reply: 6
Posted by: Chiquita, April 21, 2011, 5:10am; Reply: 7
If I could get over the writing cliches and the sinking feeling I was watching 12 yr old boy fantasies , I might not feel so underwhelmed by Game of Thrones Episode 1... here is to hoping episode 2 is better. And what was with the over repeating of the phrase "winter is coming"?
Posted by: Danmick, April 22, 2011, 2:21pm; Reply: 8
I actually thought it was pretty good, considering the fact that nothing on film ever lives up to the book it was based upon. I agree that they kind of used the "winter is coming" phrase too often, but only because I don't think they made it clear that it's the motto of House Stark (as far as I remember anyway). As far as the nudity, I've sort of come to expect that from anything on HBO, at least the shows that aren't set in the last 200 years (because apparently hedonism was rampant before that). In this case though, most of the nudity that I can think of was straight out of the book, with the exception of the scenes with Tyrion, and I think they were set up to establish his character quickly. That way when he meets Shae, their relationship may have more context, because we won't have a narrative to explain its nature. The fact that he keeps her around after seeing him with the others in the past will help to convey things to people who aren't familiar with the books.
Posted by: Chiquita, April 22, 2011, 11:13pm; Reply: 9
Posted by: Danmick, April 29, 2011, 6:32am; Reply: 10
George's latest post on his "Not a blog" suggests that A Dance with Dragons is finally done! It's a picture of a dead King Kong, which has been his nickname for the book.
Posted by: Chiquita, May 2, 2011, 11:48pm; Reply: 11
I am starting to really like the dwarf character but fear that he will turn out to be evilest of the evil asses in the end...
What did you guys think of episode III?
Posted by: Danmick, May 3, 2011, 7:42am; Reply: 12
Sounds like we'll be seeing it in a couple of days...
Posted by: Diddly, June 1, 2011, 10:29pm; Reply: 13
Danmick should feel justified by this article from OverthinkingIt.com. The article itself talks about how the series has "flattened" the female characters, robbing them of the depth they had in the book. One of the examples has to do with Catelyn's reaction to Ned being offerred the position of the Hand.
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In the book, when Robert Baratheon offers Ned the position of King’s Hand, his wife Catelyn is the one who tells him that he has to accept it. She’s an uncompromising realist, is Catelyn. It’s not that she wants Ned to go, it’s just that she understands that you can’t turn down this kind of offer without insulting the king… and she’s not blind to the opportunities this would create for her husband, herself, and their family. She’s no glory hound, but she’s an aristocrat. Part of her job, part of being Lady Stark, is increasing the status of house Stark whenever possible. The film version jettisons this interesting element of her character, in favor of a woman that just wants her man to stay at home with her (although I do love that line they gave her where she’s like “I’ll say, ‘Listen, fat man, you can’t take my husband’”). Then when they learn that John Arryn’s death was not an accident, Cat suddenly becomes terrified and desperate for Ned to stay — oh no wait, that’s the version from the series. In the book, she’s even more insistent that he go to King’s Landing, not because they need to stay on the King’s good side, not because of the increased opportunity (which under these circumstances she couldn’t care less about), but because an old and dear friend has been murdered under circumstances that point to a treasonous conspiracy. She wants justice for her own sake, and as the Lady Stark, she wants to defend the realm! And while there are certainly more self-actualized ways for a woman to handle these problems than to stay home and watch the kids while she sends her husband off to actually handle the problem, this is still a more progressive, and a far more interesting characterization than the one in the series, where she’s again all like “Oh no, Ned, don’t enter public life! Stay home with me and take care of our baaaabiiieeees!” The book version of Catelyn does consider begging Ned not to go, once, after Bran has fallen from the tower. But she immediately squashes that thought as unworthy and weak: none of the reasons that Ned has to go have changed, and she knows that, so she keeps a stiff upper lip. Not like in the series, where she breaks down sobbing, begs him to stay, and when he says he has no choice bitterly tells him “You do have a choice! And you MADE it!” The actress delivers it splendidly, but it’s a terrible damn line. And in the book, remember, she is the first one to realize that he has no choice.
Article:
http://www.overthinkingit.com/2011/05/10/game-of-thrones-feminism/
Posted by: Danmick, June 2, 2011, 5:08am; Reply: 14
I agree with the things that the author of the article says here, but there's actually a bit more depth to the reason I wish they had stayed a bit more true to the story line in this particular area. I can't really discuss them in too much detail without giving certain events away, particularly her role in the fourth book. Basically however, she sort of watches her world fall down around her, and much of the tragedy that befalls her can be traced to her own involvement, in indirect ways (for example, none of it would be happening if not for her insistence on Ned going to King's Landing). I think that the cumulative effects of her actions, and the grief they cause, are a driving force behind the person she eventually becomes. Watering down some of these details takes some of the oomph out of that part of the story.
On the other hand, the series has been well written so far, and I'm sure they'll find a way to bring back some of the impact without having to harp on some of these nuances.
Posted by: Hawkeye, June 2, 2011, 12:41pm; Reply: 15
I can't remember, in the series, after Catalyn gets the letter from her sister does she then say Ned has to go with the king or does she remain adamant that he stay?
Posted by: Shabadu_SMH, July 15, 2011, 12:37pm; Reply: 16
One of the DJs from Edge recently announced the launch of Dance of Dragons on his show... in addition he called Bakka Books and talked to them the new book and the series... his interview (audio only) is more than a couple minutes long but contains some interesting information about the series.
http://www.edge.ca/Blogs/FearlessFred/BlogEntry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10260191
Posted by: Hawkeye, August 3, 2011, 11:46pm; Reply: 17
Posted by: Diddly, August 5, 2011, 1:24pm; Reply: 18
Posted by: Chiquita, August 8, 2011, 5:05pm; Reply: 19
From July 28, 2011, an hour long interview at Google with George Martin. (His least favorite scene in the tv series was Baratheon's hunting expedition - - flawed on account of budget.)
*He says the Three Stooges are in book one if you're sharp enough to spot them. And some of the religions briefly mentioned in the series are shout-outs to other writers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTTW8M_etko&feature=player_embedded
Posted by: Diddly, September 22, 2011, 7:12pm; Reply: 20
Posted by: Danmick, April 29, 2012, 6:27pm; Reply: 21
Hah! I can't say I like who Ned Stark was compred to, but I love the comparison itself!
Posted by: Shabadu_SMH, May 7, 2012, 3:42pm; Reply: 22
Posted by: Shabadu_SMH, June 14, 2012, 1:00pm; Reply: 23
I found this VERY detailed map of the various journey's taken by most of the main characters (dead and alive) in Game of Thrones.
http://i.minus.com/iQdySKDRQWSFQ.jpgFYI - there is no information beyond the trail each character follows, BUT the map does depict each POV's journey up to the end of book #5... so if you think this will somehow ruin your reading experience, don't follow that person's journey.
Posted by: Shabadu_SMH, June 22, 2012, 12:15pm; Reply: 24
As a follow up to Danmick's political post back on April 29, 2012, here is how the game of thrones would be played across American (and probably in Canada these days too).
http://www.edge.ca/Blogs/FearlessFred/BlogEntry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10397011 Clearly Stannis has a much bigger advertising budget than anyone else. And he wisely didn't make a positive one about himself because let's face it, he is obviously not one of the real contenders, he's one of the wack-job's you expect to see crop up every now and again like Ross Perrot.
Posted by: Shabadu_SMH, March 4, 2013, 8:11pm; Reply: 25
Posted by: Diddly, February 11, 2014, 10:55am; Reply: 26
Posted by: Danmick, June 16, 2014, 5:14am; Reply: 27
Posted by: Shabadu_SMH, January 13, 2015, 1:36pm; Reply: 28
Finally George RR Martin has come up with a way to finish his series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eoHTyICp3gHahaha.. this gave me a good laugh this morning... if you haven't seen the original movie, the whole "copy of a copy" thing was similar... good parody here!
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